Simply comment below with your favorite horror movies based on comic book/graphic novels, and you’re automatically entered to win one of three copies of BLOOD IN FOUR COLOURS! Contestants will be notified March 15, 2016 and the films selected for the April episode will be announced at the end of the March episode.
In BLOOD IN FOUR COLOURS, columnist Pedro Cabezuelo presents a graphic history of horror comics, beginning with the pulps of the 1940s, and tracing their development through the ensuing 70+ years. From EC Comics, Swamp Thing and Marvel Monsters, to manga, Black Hole and The Walking Dead, BLOOD IN FOUR COLOURS features interviews with artists, writers and publishers, movie adaptations, horror manga, indie and web comics, and much more!
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This may immediately destroy any chance of having horror movie fan credibility, but I saw Return of the Swamp Thing at a very young age, and it has instilled a lifelong appreciation for terrible movies.
Alan Moore’s run of Swamp Thing was pretty excellent with several rock solid horror arcs. I also have find memories of the films but have not revisited them as an adult.
30 Days of Night, which I think is the best example of monstrous (as opposed to romantic) vampires.
And maybe Creep Show, even though it wasn’t based directly on a comic, it certainly opened up the world of horror comics for me.
I’ve enjoyed many Japanese manga titles that have been turned into movies such as Ichi the Killer, Death Note, and Oldboy.
Death Note is great!
I havent read a lot of manga, so i never thought about that angle, but i can agree that the Death Note anime was fantastic
Have you seen the live-action film, starring Battle Royale’s Tatsuya Fujiwara?
No i haven’t. How does it compare to the anime?
After watching the anime i did a little research on the series, and there are have been quite a few adaptations, even a musical, but have not caught any of them
Story-wise, I prefer the anime, but I dug how the live-action film replicated L’s appearance and eccentricities; like how he holds his cell phone and perches on chairs! Worth watching for that alone!
For straight up horror, I’ll have to go with 30 Days of Night. The first one had less to do with the comics other than the premise, but that premise was still such a great “i can’t believe no one thought of this” idea and I think they did a great job with it. It came across as like one of those endurance, survival horror films, where characters are trapped among wolves or sharks. The sequel and FEARNET series were OK, though I appreciated the world-building they were going for.
Dellamorte Dellamore (aka Cemetery Man) is my number 1, for sure, but I have to say I, too, have a soft spot for Swamp Thing.
I actually had the graphic novel that was based on Creepshow when I was younger. It was really cool, and I wish I knew which “friend” stole it from me!
Sorry to be That Guy, but Dellamore Dellamorte isn’t based on a comic. It’s based on a prose novel. The novel is by Tiziano Sclavi, who wrote the comic book Dylan Dog, which is why people make the mistake.
Someone’s gotta be That Guy!
Well, I stand corrected…I am not a big comics fan anymore, not since junior high, so I’ve only ever heard of Dylan Dog as the inspiration for this movie. Researching deeper, I see where you’re correct. so I’ll change my answer to either Swamp Thing or Josie & the Pussycats…
’30 Days of Night’ was a pretty darn good adaption of a great book.
‘Constantine’ was great book with a not so good movie adaption, but I still watch it when it comes on, LOL.
I, too, have a soft spot for Swamp Thing, having seen it at just the right (or “far too young” depending on how you look at it) age to forgive everything wrong and be entranced by everything right.
That being said, The Crow is far and away my favorite…if we can bend the typical rules of horror. It may not be a horror for us, but surely the villains are being hunted down by a supernatural killer. They are without a doubt in a horror movie.
That is an interesting perspective to take, with the audience watching one story from the protagonist(s) POV, but the antagonist(s) may be experiencing a completely different genre of movie. And definitely applies to The Crow’s mooks.
I’d like to throw in another vote for The Crow, mainly because it’s one of the few movie adaptations that I enjoy more than the source material.
Granted, I saw the move first (one of the first movies I remember seeing in the theater), but when I bought the graphic novel a couple of years ago it just seemed a bit too melodramatic and dated. The movie manages to hit the sadness of the story without dwelling in it in the overwrought way of the comic.
I’d be interested to hear the Faculty’s take on it, and I believe Andrea gave it a nod at the end of this month’s episode, so like Rachel says I hope you’re willing to bend the genre rules a bit to include this movie!
I loved Hellboy, but I’m not sure I’d call it a horror movie (despite the Lovecraftian beasties), so I’m going hedge and say 30 Days of Night. I’ve heard fans of the comic version complain about it, but I’ve only ever seen the movie. When I saw it, which was a while ago, I was so glad to see horrific vampires who looked and acted like evil incarnate and as opposed sexy or morally conflicted variety.
For horror related comic books I would have to say Hellblazer would be my favorite. The movie Constantine was not as good though.
I am a massive Alan Moore fan so I’d like to throw From Hell into the mix here. Great book and suitably dark execution on screen.
You took my selection.
Hands down the best comic book horror movie is the 1972 British adaptation of “Tales From The Crypt”. The narrow passage way, covered in razor blades, as the hungry dog is barking… It gets me every time.
How about “From Hell”? Or if you want to draw from manga, how about “Uzumaki” or “Tomie”?
I concur with 30 Days of Night if we’re in the film-from-comic genre. AND I want to hear the over-pronunciation of “Hart-nett.” Great job on the Drac/Frank ep. So happy to have y’all back in my earholes on my commute!
Defo Hellboy 2. Del Toro is at his best when making his lowbrow stuff. His Spanish language films are too ponderous and plodding for me. The Hellboys are the closest thing to Lovecraftian cosmic horror on film.
I have a soft spot for both Ripper films and Depp so my vote has to go From Hell as well
30 DAYS OF NIGHT is easily among the best. I would love to see GOOD adaptations of Alan Moore’s run on SWAMP THING and Garth Ennis’ CROSSED.
I’ll second the recommend for Uzumaki, as well as 30 Days of Night. That’s only because The Drifting Classroom doesn’t have a movie, though (so far as I know).
Hellboy II: The Golden Army–better than the first, and don’t let ANYONE tell you it’s not a horror film.
If we had a few hours, I would explain to you why I believe A History of Violence is actually a horror film too, but I concede that one’s too much of a stretch for most people…
I don’t know if you would count it as horror, but Snowpiercer is my favourite film based on a graphic novel. And there are certainly moments of horror.
Can I admit I’d be interested in hearing you take on Constantine? I know it was a pretty hated movie by many, in part because of not being faithful enough to the source material, in part due to Keanu. Theres a couple of scenes in it, though, that stuck with me – particularly Father Hennessy’s death.
My first thought was to go with Creepshow. However, I disqualified it for while it is very much inspired by the EC comics such as Tales from the Crypt and Vault of Horror, it isn’t actually based on those publications.
On that note though, I would like to give some love to the Amicus adaptations: 1972’s Tales from the Crypt and 1973’s The Vault of Horror. Much like the source comics, these anthologies are gruesome morality tales and I think you guys could a great job dissecting the philosophy of crime and cosmic retribution they espouse.
I saw the creep show comic before the movie because I was wee. I would love to vote for it but the adaptation is the wrong direction.
I like the hell blazer comic but not the Constantine movie, I’m a Mike Carey fan, and it has nothing to do with the adaptation. It does have Tilda, though..30 days of night is the best I can think of too. I don’t understand Etsy to fuss was about it seemed pretty faithful to the comic. I liked one of the blade movies, but not the first one. Not better than those other two.
Unrelated -lots of good Canadian authors have had stuff transferred to TV anthology series
A huuuuge fan of 30 days of night, but I feel that more rules could be bent for Howard the duck. Of all the tone deaf crazy things in that movie, the most terrifying was principal Rooney as the dark overlord of the universe. SCARRED FOR LIFE BY THE PHALLIC TOUNGE!!!
I’ve strained my brain, but can’t come up with a horror based on a comic that’s better than 30 Days of Night! The first movie anyway, because the second was terrible. The vampires and setting were great and actually did justice to the comics creepy art style.
I’ve always been a fan of SWAMP THING by Wes Craven. It was one of my first forays into horror. As an adult I’ve read through Alan Moore’s work on that series. While Moore’s vision is much different than Craven’s, there are striking similarities in aesthetics.
I have also been a long time fan of A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE by Cronenberg. Perhaps more of a thriller than horror, I feel it fits into the category!
My vote is for Constantine given I’m such a Hellblazer fan, although I’d rather vote for the one season of the television show Constantine as it was far superior to the film, but I think you both were looking for films 🙂
A History of Violence may not be straight up horror in the set up, since it is written as more of a crime noir thriller. But it’s directed by Cronenberg and his fingerprints are visible all over it. So it pushes my horror loving buttons
I’ll ride for Dellamorte Dellamore/Cemetery Man, Uzumaki and the Towie series as has been mentioned already, but the Eko Eko Azarak films are, imo some of the best occult detective/horror stiff out there. The manganese isn’t maybe as well known in the West but it’s great stuff when it works.
I think for staying true to the spirit of the old EC comic they’re based on Creepshow and Creepshow 2 are great fun. Obviously there are some variable performances, Stephen King! The sheer gruesome glee is well worth the time. From the same source Tales From The Crypt and Vault of Horror by Amicus have their pleasures. The Midnight Mess section of Vault of Horror really spooked me as a kid.
More recently 30 Days of Night, apart from the New Zealand accents, is a nice bit of business.
The first Blade was also pretty enjoyable and pretty stylish looking with a bit of a Blaxploitation feel. Shame Stephen Norrington has been so damaged by League of Extraordinary Gentlemen that he’s pretty much stopped directing.
LEX, it should be noted, is a different kind of horror to sit through!
That should be LXG not LEX in my previous comment. Damn my sausage fingers!
Just finished episode 35 and thoroughly enjoyed the commentary and I am very much looking forward to episode 36. I’m not sure if this works (Tales from the Crypt used to be a comic book series, right?) but how about Tales from the Crypt: Demon Knight? It’s got Billy Zane as the Prince of Darkness.
Billy Zane is AWESOME as the Prince of Darkness!
He did a wonderful performance as the Prince of Darkness in Demon Knight and I’ve always been totally convinced that’s why he was chosen by James Cameron to play the role of Rose’s fiancé in Titanic!
my initial reaction was A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE but that does not fulfill your Horror criteria. Viggo was really good at going from calm to violent. And Ed Harris’ creepy eye aided the character. Not sure why William Hurt was nominated for an Oscar for 5 minutes of screen time.
my second choice would be VAULT OF HORROR. i saw this over 20 years ago so i do not remember it that well. i remember enjoying it but not sure why.
i’m looking forward to your March and April podcasts.
Oddly enough, the graphic novel, A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE, was far gorier than Cronenberg’s movie adaptation! I’m still puzzling over that…
I know it isn’t actually based on a comic book but I really have to try and request Trick r’ Treat. It is inspired by horror comics and I feel as if it is such an underrated and beautiful film.
If that is not possible then maybe I will echo Tales of the Cryptkeeper. The opportunity for you guys to litter the episode with terrible puns should be enough to at least consider it.
A lot of great ideas so far.
Creepshow definitely qualifies as a comic book and Horror film, plus it gives the opportunity to talk about George Romero and Stephen King (methinks Andrea and Alex won’t object to that).
Both Tales From the Crypt movies (Demon Knight AND Bordello of Blood (Dennis Miller AND Corey Feldman – mid-90s casting at its best)) deserve mention, but are more of filmic adaptations of the TV show, which was an adaptation of the comics. Too many layers removed there.
I remember Swamp Thing from my youth as well. Mostly what I remember is bad make up effects and Adrienne Barbeau’s cleavage.
I love Cronenberg, so A History of Violence is a great idea too, but it was a different sort of graphic novel. If it qualifies, why not include Ghost World or American Splendor or Crumb?
Sin City qualifies as something not mentioned yet. It was definitely based on a comic book, and was quite disturbing. It also looked a hell of a lot like the book on which it was based (whether or not that was a good thing is another issue).
In the end, though, I cannot come up with anything better than Hellboy (1 or 2, or both). They were truly the product of a comic book creator AND a filmmaker. Both contributed the look and the themes and the story elements. Just listen to the commentary on Hellboy to hear how much they loved each other. Plus it looks like a comic book AND a horror film AND you truly sympathize with the hero moreso than in any other comic book or horror film. It is also the best Lovecraft film made so far (it edges out Cloverfield and Re-Animator and From Beyond). I could go on and on on ….
A podcast about the Hellboy films, which may not strictly be horror, would be something I can totally get behind. It’s a great blend of several different genres as filtered through a horror lens.
And man, Golden Army. So good. So very good.
I could also get down with any discussion of Ichii the Killer, but I haven’t read any of the manga it’s based on. It would be a good excuse. Because that movie is something special.
I want to add votes for From Hell and Uzumaki, those are definitely my favorite horror graphic novels and corresponding movies that I’ve seen! If I had to pick one, I’d have to go with Uzumaki if only for the wtf factor.
I think Creepshow should qualify; it’s not specifically based on any single EC Comics story, but it wouldn’t exist without Tales From the Crypt, Vault of Horror, etc., and it perfectly captures the lurid quality of all those ’50s horror comics.
Like a lot of other commenters, I haven’t read the source material for 30 Days of Night, but I think it’s a really good horror movie that uses its setting incredibly effectively.
Personally, my favorite comic-to-film horror movie is Blade II. It’s Guillermo Del Toro doing what he does best … great action, gruesome special effects, and a fully realized netherworld.
Other personal favorites include The Crow, both Hellboy movies, and A History of Violence.
So allow me to come from Left field and say I might be one of the few people who liked the film adaptation of Tim Vigil’s Faust. A very dark comic with a lot of Lovecraftian elements and massive doses of body horror.
For trying to condense a multi comic series into a film with a limited budget they did remarkably well.
Left-fielders always welcome!
Blade was a quality movie.
I’m inclined to agree with that!
It’s one that I always find myself going back to evey once and a while, and definitely not hating.
That opening scene with the vampire club is hands down one of the best vampire scenes put to film. And unquestionably horror.
The Crow and Ichi the Killer!
I love how much conversation is happening in the comments! Since A History of Violence, From Hell, Vault of Horror, etc have been mentioned, I’m gonna go full-hokey and say that Blade is pretty great. Granted, it’s not some masterpiece, but I appreciate how the movie atmospherically feels like the comics (dour, gritty, undoubtedly conveys the 80s/90s). Blade is also of the same Marvel ilk as the Avengers, so I’m glad his movies were decidedly separate from them.
I hear Wytches is going to be made into a film soon, I kind of want to make that my choice before it even happens.
It would be a much easier question if it were, “What’s your favorite comic that got utterly destroyed in its transition to the silver screen?” That list is infinite.
I’m wearing a Cemetery Man shirt as I write this, so I certainly love the film. But wasn’t it technically based on a novel? Sure, Rupert Everett is dressed up to look every bit like Dylan Dog (who was illustrated to look like Rupert Everett), but it’s not actually based on that comic.
So I think I have to throw my hat in with The Crow people. It’s not a perfect adaptation of the comic, but it captures the spirit of it. It’s melancholy, violent, and the art direction is nothing short of visionary – almost recalling German expressionism. And even though it’s soaked in the black-leather and distorted guitars of the early 90s, I think it holds up really well today.
Yeah, I hear that. Probably my favorite horror comic to movie transition that just warped everything about the original I’d have to go with Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance. I just love the absurdity of it.
Camera crew having to have stuntman skills to film the chase scenes. Ghost Rider having to defend a kid sidekick with hidden evil power. Idris Elba as a slouching alcoholic.
The PISSING FIRE bit that does not connect to anything else in the film.
It was probably the best comic book film in 2012 but that probably wasn’t that hard of a task. It will always have a place in my heart the way Wes Craven’s Swamp Thing does. Bless it.
At least Swamp Thing has Adrienne Barbeau going for it. I’ll give it that.
I was never much into comic books, but I have a real soft spot for the film ‘Constantine’. Not the best horror film, but Peter Stormare is my all-time favorite cinematic Satan.
Blade, From Hell, 30 Days of Night and The Crow for sure.
If they count, and because they are near and dear to my heart for Manor House reasons, Creepshow and Tales From The Crypt.
Someone mentioned Cemetery Man based on a novel by Tiziano Sclavi which is similar to his comic Dylan Dog. I haven’t seen it but since Scorsese called it “one of the best Italian films of the 1990s,” I will have to unfuck that and give it a try. There is a direct adaptation of Dylan Dog called Dylan Dog: Dead of Night that has a bad rap from what I understand.
Hmm this is hard. I’m liable to agree that some of my favorite comics have been made into horrible films while not necessarily horror films.
My vote though is for the crow. Timeless classic.
I’ll throw in a vote for Constantine, but it really was mediocre. Could we maybe instead talk about the best horror comic of all time that has not been made into a movie, Locke & Key?
Agreed on Locke & Key.
David Cronenberg’s “A History of Violence,” based on the graphic novel of the same name by John Wagner and Vince Locke. Leans more to the thriller side, but still in the same wheel house. It reads like a horror comic, and it’s plot is really just a horror premise without a supernatural antagonist. You have your small town father who’s inner and buried violent tendecies are brought about by a chain of events, and begins terrorizing and tearing his suburban, working class family apart.
Oh boy, what an interesting topic! When I heard about it on the most recent episode, I was like, “alright! I know something about this topic,” but then …. not so much. I came up with all the titles people have already listed, with my votes for (reasonably) good horror-comic movies being limited to Blade, Cemetery Man, Uzumaki, and—maybe; I saw it in the theater and not since—The Crow.
Which led me to realize: There’s never been a great movie adaption of a horror comic. I don’t know if we’ve had that in other comics genres (though you could make arguments for things like A History of Violence, Road to Perdition, Ghost World, The Avengers, etc.), but we definitely don’t have it in comics.
Fingers crossed that we’ll get one sooner than later, but I’m skeptical. The very best horror comics, in my view, tend to be self-contained short stories (Emily Carroll, Josh Simmons, Ito, Umezu, Uno Moralez) that might not easily expand to feature length.
?30 days of night! The ambiance in the movie has an uneasy feeling throughout the entire movie. The constant dark throughout the movie contrasts with the bright snow. Amazing horror makeup and likable characters make this movie great
Great topic! I’m going to go with From Hell as my favorite. I love the source material and the entire Jack the Ripper case, so I may be a little biased. Keep up the amazing work, ladies!
I’ve got to say Hellboy is by my favourite comic to movie horror adaptation and is deserving of analysis by my two favourite horror podcasters. Del Toro’s work is steeped in the gothic, weird and horrific. Del Toro did something truly amazing with Hellboy. He was able to take a relatively unknown character, wangle a studio into letting him make the movie before the superhero boom we are currently in and was able to stay completely faithful to the comic and yet it felt completely his own work.
His use of the Lovecraft mythology cannot be overlooked as quite possibly the best cinematic representation of Lovecraft’s work to date. The ideas in Lovecrafts work are so mind meltingly difficult to comprehend but with Hellboy Del Toro seems to make it work so beautifully that I can very much believe that somewhere in that world great Cthulu waits! and Hellboy would beat his arse down. The film is full of original creature effects and the characters are some of the most visual, creative and loveable figures I can remember in recent years. There is a darkness in this movie that is quite unsettling much of this relating to the Lovecraft elements of the story and yet Del Toro manages to make a movie that is not only scary but fun. He has made a film that we can relate to. It may not be the scariest comic to movie adaptation I think 30 Days of Night has that card, but it is a truly remarkable piece of cinema one that I return to regularly. It doesn’t get anywhere near the appreciation and love it should and I believe that it would make a perfect faculty of horror movie to talk about.
Much (all?) of the work of both Del Toro and Mignola is steeped in cosmic horror and is around the corner from the Cthulhu Mythos at the farthest. These translated effectively to film, and all before Cthulhu became a plush cuddly internet meme.
The next best film that comes close to capturing the essence of Lovecraft was In the Mouth of Madness. Which also deserves it’s own episode.
I was turned onto horror films at the ripe young age of three years old. However, throughout my childhood, I was never a big fan of comic books aside from the classic Tales from the Crypt and other William Gaines comic book titles. Therefore, the list of horror films adapted from comic books that I can think of off the top of my head is rather short. Since Creepshow is more of an homage to the horror-anthology comics of the 50’s and not a direct adaptation, I don’t feel it fair to choose that one. So, I think I’ll have to go with either 30 Days of Night or The Crow. They are both great and well adapted films, in my opinion, but for straight up horror I think I’ll have to go with 30 Days of Night. From Hell is another honorable mention, along with Southland Tales which I believe had it’s graphic novel released simultaneously with the film if I remember correctly.
I’m going to say Hardware, a 1990 low-budget British sf/horror movie about a killer robot in a post-apocalyptic setting that has a nice atmosphere drawing from cyberpunk, Italian horror and industrial music. It wasn’t credited as a comic book adaptation, but the publishers of 2000 AD successfully sued the producers for ripping off one of their short stories.
Does Silver Bullet count? I love love love Cycle of the Werewolf by Stephen King, the Wrightson illustrations messed me up as a kid!
I love 30 Days of Night, but sad to say I haven’t read the graphic novel(s) yet. Thanks to this podcast I will definitely read it sometimes in a near future.
I have actually seen 30 Days of Night so many times that when I recently saw Stephen Frears’ film The Program about Lance Armstrong I felt a strange disgust for Mr Armstrong from the very start of the film. I watched over an hour before I recognized Ben Foster (who played Lance Armstrong) from 30 Days… where he played The Stranger, the human helper of the vampires! And then I remembered that Ben Foster also played the cowboy bandit who shot Christopher Bale’s character in 3:10 to Yuma… Coward!!
I was sooooo glad, relieved and filled with a sense of justice when the removed him of aaaaaaaaall his Tour de France titles in the end of The Program…
30 Days of Night is fantastic of course. I’m a huge fan of Blade. I think From Hell counts even if only slightly similar, and it’s not so bad. I love the story of Alien VS Predator which is somewhere between movies and video games and comics.
I’m not sure if this applies, but The Crow was definitely spooky. Plus, AKIRA scared the poo out of me as a kid….but my vote goes for a lesser known anime that was based off of short story collections by Natsuhiko Kyogoku titled “The Wicked and the Damned: A Hundred Tales of Karma” and as an anime “Requiem from the Darkness” or known to myself simply as, “100 Stories.”
If you can get your hands on this series, I HIGHLY recommend it. The animation style is very unique compared to popular anime of the time (2003) – the style is much older than the time it was put out IMO. Each episode focuses on a young male folklore writer who is traveling around trying to write a book based on local ghost stories essentially. It’s very dark, and some of the topics are totally bizarre. Great soundtrack and voice acting (Japanese) as well. WELL Worth the watch. Perhaps a little too unknown for the podcast – but awesome all the same.
Hellboy, all the way. I love Del Toro’s imagery, he really brings the comic to life, and the Lovecraftian themes are so delightfully unsettling.
I gotta go with “Creepshow” myself…even though it isn’t a direct adaptation, it captures the spirit and the soul of the medium more than any of the direct Amicus productions of similar material. Romero’s weird, canted compositions look like photographic references for individual comic panels, and the hallucinatory colorscapes feel pulled directly from the four-color printing processes of older comics. Plus, as a kid, I hid my head behind our ratty worn-out couch during the climax of “The Box” in order to avert my eyes from the cheesiest monster ever. Ah, nostalgia.
Second place goes to “Demon Knight,” though…Billy Zane’s performance in it is totally my spirit animal.
Also! First comment I’ve left here, and I’m a huge fan of the show. Thank you for measured, eloquent analyses of some of my favorite films. Appreciate your work. Cheers!
Might be a bit late to the game here, but I feel I should finally comment as a long time listener. Bit surprised no one else has suggested ‘Blade’. It’s certainly not the best of the Marvel comic book movies, but the first two are pretty solid.
My favorite by far is 30 Days of night. I would also be willing to bend be rules for Hellboy II. I’ll give Constantine an honorable mention too as one of my guilty pleasures.
It seems most have already been covered but the Tales From the Crypt and Vault of Horror films from the 70’s would be interesting to hear you ladies tackle. The Crow would also be a good choice. The Walking Dead would be wonderful but it hasn’t ended yet so I’m sure you’ll wait until you can cover the entire series as one complete piece.
Not sure if this one counts, as it’s not based on a specific comic, but I’d like to suggest Creepshow, from George Romero and Stephen King. Well before the CGI heavy Sin City, Romero used lighting and colors, back screens and framing techniques to make the film look like one is flipping through the pages of a comic. And King’s script captures the tone of the old EC comics, with tale of vengeance from beyond the grave, monsters and a nice wraparound tale featuring a skeletal figure leading us through the tales. It’s a great horror comic brought to the screen, and is a hell of a lot of fun.
Another one to consider is Cemetery Man (AKA Dellamorte Dellamore), based on the comic Dylan Dog. I would love to hear the two of you discuss this one. It’s an amazing film that has so many layers it almost deserves it’s own podcast.